Struggling with the #bedroomtax and worried about kids being removed: “it’s a danger game.”

Joe Halewood has posted a very interesting article: it’s about a letter from the Knowsley Housing Trust which says that the recipient may be considered to have intentionally made themselves homeless if they’re evicted because of rent arrears. The letter also says that social services will be advised if there are children in the home:

People have read this as “pay your rent, or we’ll come for your kids,” as well they might.

As Joe says:

“Knowsley Housing Trust (KHT) are sending out a standard letter which tenants are reading as “pay your rent or social services will come and take your children off you”..and you thought social landlords couldn’t get any more incompetent!

“The prior paragraph sees KHT assume that any tenant evicted for arrears will be declared intentionally homeless by the council – that not paying your rent means you WILL be found intentionally homeless and that is a huge assumption and an overt scare tactic in itself by KHT and this predicates the threat of your children being taken into care. Councils have to look at the individual circumstances of each case under homeless legislation and eviction for arrears does NOT equate with being found intentionally homeless as KHT strongly allude it does.”

So.

I’m posting this, because I know that this fear of losing your kids if you can’t pay the bedroom tax looms large in many minds. I know this because people have told me about it. They certainly told me about it when I was travelling around in the northwest for this recent article about the bedroom tax. I wrote then:

“The other concern people have is that social services will remove children from parents who are found to be struggling due to the extra cost. People say this a lot. “Nobody wants social services butting their noses into people’s business, because it’s a danger game when a mother hasn’t got enough money to feed her kids properly,” Jill says [at the West Everton Community Centre]. “She’s going to starve herself to make sure her kids are fed. You’re hearing about kids being taken away when they shouldn’t be.””

A similar point was raised on at least two more occasions by people I met at the bedroom tax campaign meetings I attended during that trip. One man I was speaking with said that the campaign groups wanted to get more young people involved. “They’re probably worried about social services coming round,” a woman at our table said. I had a similar conversation with two women after a meeting in central Liverpool.

This all put me in mind of a conversation I had a couple of years ago with a Wisconsin woman called Pat Gowens. I’d rung Pat in the first instance to talk about Wisconsin’s appalling workfare programme, which she had some experience of. She and other women had set up Welfare Warriors – a member-led campaign made up of people who were directly affected by that punitive W2 workfare scheme. We talked about that for some time and then our conversation moved onto other work the group was involved in. That work, it transpired, included representing women whose children had been removed by social services. “They come into your homes,” Pat said, “usually on an anonymous call, or [a call from] your husband. They decide you’re a bit crazy, or your house isn’t clean enough – a mother didn’t vacuum her carpets, or just swept them [or something like that]. Then, they take your kids away. You used to get them back in six months. Now it can be six years. If you want them back you have to do parenting classes, therapy, anger management, domestic violence therapy.”

The group is still active – you can see their facebook page here – and they’re still running articles with titles like Give Us Back Our Children.

The fear of losing your children is an appalling one. Most people ought to know that. And it is very bad to know that people fear losing their children because they can’t pay a tax that they should never have had to pay in the first place.

Joe Halewood is absolutely right when he says:

“Social landlords are in a position of authority when it comes to housing matters. Tenants assume that landlords know housing law and good practice therein and tenants in large part have to trust social landlords.”

He’s also right when he says that anybody who is abusing that power needs to be named and shamed. There is something very unpleasant going on here. Talk about a nasty way to keep people who don’t have money in line. Pure evil.

Update: info here on this situation from the Shelter site (h-t Mr Bogbrush on facebook):

“Can social services take children away because the family is found to be intentionally homeless?

No. Social services can only forcibly take a child away from her/his parents if there is clear evidence of a risk of abuse and a court order has been obtained. If social services offer to house the children but not the rest of the family, the parents are not normally obliged to accept this option.

If social services offer to house the child alone, you should get specialist advice from a local Shelter advice centre or other housing advice agency immediately.”

I wrote this update Sunday 3 November – it seems that KHT is “reviewing” its customer communications after that original letter went viral on it. Bit more than that needs reviewing if you ask me” – but it seems that review of customer communications has to do with another incident to do with eviction and not this one. What a mess – how many shambles can a trust have? Will post more on that when I get info through.

Update 4 November: The “review of customer communications” has to do with this incident – “A Merseyside community formed a ring of steel around a bedroom tax victim’s house after fears her possessions would be removed without her consent.” And see this, too – that ring of steel action apparently led to KHT announcing that anti bedroom tax campaigners were a danger to staff. Unreal. Were HAs not expecting direct action as a response to this tax?

Update 5 November: You’ll see in the comments that the review of customer communications is to do with the social services letter. See comment below from Huyton Freeman and watch the links below for updates:

“I posted the letter on my blog http://www.huytonfreeman.co.uk/ and on http://www.facbook.com/huytondi any further responses from KHT will also be published there and @huytonfreeman on twitter.”

Let’s see what KHT comes back with.

8 thoughts on “Struggling with the #bedroomtax and worried about kids being removed: “it’s a danger game.”

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  3. This is actually all about communication, surely – a housing authority which finds, or believes it may find, a household with children to be intentionally homeless is *obliged* to refer to them the appropriate childrens’ services department so that help can be offered. The Shelter article referred to confirms this. The problem is the perception that referral to childrens’ services leads to children being removed – which only happens in cases of serious risk. Did the housing authority in this case really intend that as a threat, or did they think they were acknowledging that they have a duty to refer the household to another agency who may be able to offer assistance?

  4. I posted the original scan of the KHT letter that states it will refer a tenant’s children to Social services, on Tues 29th October on a facebook page. I also tweeted it to Bob Taylor CEO of KHT and to KHT’s twitter account at the same time.

    It went viral from then on, and although I had no response personally from Bob Taylor or KHT, I presumed that their ‘review statement’ was because of this letter. I still believe that.

    Why would you believe that their ‘review’ was due to the story in Kirkby, which was a while ago now?

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