Update February 12: It is interesting to me that the DWP hasn’t answered my questions or returned my call on this. You’ll see in the comments that people do indeed have their housing benefit stopped sometimes when they’re sanctioned and that they should ask to have HB restarted if that happens. Unfortunately, the jobcentre I refer to below sends new JSA claimants out believing that a housing benefit sanction is part of a JSA sanction and that’s that. DWP needs to address this. We’ve got a situation here where a jobcentre adviser told a large group of JSA claimants that their housing benefit would be sanctioned for two weeks as part of a JSA sanction and gave a lot of detail. I know too many people who would not challenge that, or know to ask to challenge it. I must say that I’m wondering why the DWP won’t address this, or even discuss it.
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Original post:
Feel free to feed back on this. I can’t work out what is going on:
A few weeks ago, I attended a group induction meeting for new JSA claimants at one of the north west London jobcentres.
About 20 minutes into the session, the jobcentre adviser running the meeting told the 12 new JSA claimants there something that intrigued me. He said that people’s housing benefit and council tax benefit would be stopped for two weeks (he used the word disallowed) if people got a four-week JSA sanction and that they would have to cover their rent and council tax. This confused me. As I understand it, housing benefit and council tax benefit are sometimes stopped with a JSA sanction when councils are advised of the sanction, but that those claims should be restarted and can even be backdated to the time the JSA sanction began (which surely means you’re entitled during the course of a sanction). Any sort of formal disallowance process – with no mention of restart – would surely be another story. Certainly, mention of such a thing worried the hell out of people at that group meeting. Losing your housing benefit would, after all, put you on the fast track to homelessness. I’ve spoken to several welfare rights and housing people about this now and they agree that housing benefit and council tax benefit should not be formally sanctioned as part of a JSA sanction. So it is all very weird.
As luck would have it, I have a recording of the event in question. Here it is:
And here’s a transcript of that recording (have put the relevant sentences in bold type):
“Now, as I was saying, if you are on one of our courses and you either don’t bother to attend that course, or if you are removed from it by your own actions, those things and the other things that I mentioned, if you can remember, could cost you four weeks’ jobseekers’ allowance. When you have your signing on appointments, things are slightly different… if we don’t think that you have applied for as many jobs as you could have, if you don’t provide sufficient detail on the jobs you have applied for, or if you do nothing at all, not only do you run the risk of losing four weeks’ jobseekers’ allowance, there is also a two-week disallowance of other benefits you are receiving. The only exception being child benefit. Now, most people who claim jobseekers’ allowance are also claiming housing benefit and council tax benefit as well. The disallowance means that you would be liable to cover your rent and your council tax costs for two weeks, as well as losing four weeks’ jobseekers’ allowance. Now, these sanctions have been in place for over two years. If it’s never affected you, you may never have known any of this. I’m just giving you the worst case scenarios.”
Okay. The are several possibilities here. One is that the adviser was wrong. Another is that the adviser was right (and let’s face it – he sounded pretty well-versed. People who run these induction courses know what they’re saying and the messages they’re sending, more to the point). Is it possible to misconstrue what the adviser said, or the message being sent here? – if it is, I’m sure someone will put us right. I certainly don’t mind saying that I’m confused.
If anyone can shed any light on things, please do. As I say, people left that meeting very much under the impression that there would be a two-week and non-challengeable loss of housing benefit and council tax benefit if they were sanctioned. If that is not the case, they certainly should be told and some sort of clarifying statement made for everyone, including jobcentre advisors who run induction sessions (I have asked the DWP for such a statement. They generally never get back to me these days, but who knows. Perhaps this post will motivate them). There was certainly no mention of the ways to restart housing benefit if it stopped when you got a JSA sanction, or any indication that asking for backdated housing benefit payments to the start date of a sanction was a possibility – ie, the things people can do when their housing benefit is stopped because of a JSA sanction. It was just the usual “you can kiss all your money goodbye.”
Which is par for the course at jobcentres, I must say. You hear an awful lot about the ways you can lose your benefits. You hear a lot less about the ways that you can get them back. You also hear a lot of confusing, worrying things about the hits you’ll take if you’re sanctioned and the benefits that will be affected. This stuff is done far too casually. It needs a serious sorting out.